only tv mounts & stands
in all categories
only tv mounts & stands
Search
United Kingdom
Choose city or write postal code
We couldn't pinpoint your city. Please
select city
to display stores and prices in your region.
Log in
Gadgets
Phones
Cases
Headphones
Wearables
Power banks
Chargers for gadgets
Portable Speakers
Action Cameras
Quadcopters
All categories
Computing
Laptops
Tablets
Gaming Consoles
Monitors
PC
Components
Printing
Wi-Fi
Keyboards & Mice
All categories
Photo
Cameras
Lenses
Flashes
Action Cameras
Memory Cards
Tripods
Steadicams
Batteries
Studio Lights
All categories
TV
TVs
Monitors
Mounts & Stands
Media Players
Projectors
Soundbars
Gaming Consoles
VR
Cables
All categories
Audio
Headphones
Headsets
Portable Speakers
Audio Systems
Speakers
Acoustics
Hi-Fi & Accessories
Cables
Musical Instruments
All categories
Appliances
Embedded Appliances
Small Household
Hygiene
Washing Machines
Fridges
Cookers
Hoods
Ovens
Vacuum Cleaners
All categories
Climate
Air Conditioners
Water Heaters
Heaters
Boilers
Heat pumps
Radiators
Humidifiers
Pumps and water supply
Fireplaces
All categories
Home
Plumbing
Building Materials
Tableware
Furniture
UPS and electrical
Smart Home & Security
Tools
Health
Cosmetic Accessories
Pets
All categories
Kids & Toys
Strollers
Cribs
High Chairs
Diapers
Car Seats
School
Bicycles
Toys & Entertainment
RC Toys
All categories
Automotive
Tyres
Rims
Child Car Seats
Dashcams
Car Audio
Batteries
Engine Oils
Pressure Washes
Moto
All categories
Tools
Tools
Tool kits
Hand Tools
Garden Equipment
Garden Tools
Construction
Ladders
Generators
Welders
All categories
Tourism
Backpacks
Suitcases
Tents
Sleeping Bags
Flashlights
Thermoses
Burners
BBQs & Braziers
Fishing
All categories
Sport
Bicycles
Activities & Electric Vehicles
Team Sports
Water sports
Winter Sports
Action Cameras
Fitness Machines
Fitness & Exercise
Sports Nutrition
All categories
Fashion & Accessories
Watches
Wearables
Jewelry
Handbags & Haberdashery
Beauty & Care
Hygiene
Cosmetics & Fragrances
Umbrellas
All categories
More+
Gadgets
Computing
Photo
TV
Audio
Appliances
Climate
Home
Kids & Toys
Automotive
Tools
Tourism
Sport
Fashion & Accessories
Catalog
/
TVs & Video
/
TV Mounts & Stands
TV Mounts & Stands
prices
on 16990 models
Product type
wall mount
ceiling mount
floor mount
desktop mount
straight cabinet
corner сabinet
сabinet with mounts
for DVD players
for CRT TV
VESA mount dimensions
50x50mm
75x75mm
100x100 mm
100x200mm
200x100mm
200x200mm
200x300 mm
200x400mm
300x200mm
300x300mm
300x400mm
400x200mm
400x300mm
400x400mm
500x400mm
600x400mm
600x600mm
700x400mm
800x400mm
800x600mm
800x800mm
900x400 mm
900x500 mm
900x600 mm
1000x500mm
1000x600 mm
Show
by rating
lowest to highest price
highest to lowest price
by reviews
by date of addition
Number of mounts
Max. size (")
Max. weight (kg)
Number of shelves
Max. weight for one shelf (kg)
more parameters…
Distance between shelves (mm)
Drawers
Closed compartments
Minimum distance from the wall (mm)
Max. distance from wall (mm)
Minimum distance from ceiling (mm)
Max. distance from ceiling (mm)
Upward tilt angle (°)
Downward tilt angle (°)
Turn angle (°)
Rotation angle (°)
Shelf thickness (mm)
by rating
Apple VESA Mount Adapter MWUF2Z/A
from
£175.36
up to
£218.99
Compare prices
4
→
For pros who use a VESA stand, mount or arm instead of a traditional stand, the VESA Mount Adapter is the perfect way to seamlessly add Pro Display XDR to your workspace. It works with any VESA-compat
more→
ible 100x100mm wall mount, desk mount, stand or articulating arm that can support the 7.48-kg (16.49-pound) Pro Display XDR.¹ And it can be placed and secured quickly and easily using the included Apple-designed lock key. 1. The VESA Mount Adapter has 8mm of available thread. Verify that the mounting plate thickness and screw length will enable the screw to fully fasten. 2. Weight varies by configuration and manufacturing process. †&dagger
; We use your location to show you …
MANHATTAN VESA Mount Adapter Kit Allows screens/monitors without VESA to b
from
£15.67
up to
£18.37
Compare prices
2
→
Universal VESA mount converter solution made for monitors without VESA mounting holesN/AAdd the ergonomic and space-saving benefits of a monitor mount to a non-VESA display with this universal VESA Mo
more→
unt Kit from Manhattan. Even if your flat screen is missing the pattern holes on the back you can now install it on virtually any desk mount wall mount or stand that offers VESA configurations of 75x75 and 100x100 mm.N/AN/AWide compatibility and easy installationN/A
The versatile heavy-duty steel arms can be placed in many positions to securely accommodate varying sizes of displays with weights up to 8 kg (17.6 lbs.) and thicknesses of 26.5 to 65 mm (1 to 2.6 in.). The adapter is universally compatible …
NewStar Neomounts vesa adapter plate FPMA-VESA425
from
£39.24
up to
£42.28
Compare prices
2
→
Neomounts vesa adapter plate
NewStar FPMA-VESANON
from
£19.99
up to
£24.66
Compare prices
2
→
The Neomounts by Newstar monitor adapter kit, model FPMA-VESANON, is an innovative mounting solution for you to mount monitors without VESA compatibility to a monitor desk or wall mount. The adapter i
more→
s designed to fit any VESA monitor mount with 75x75 and 100x100mm mounting holes, and includes all required screws and other hardware for assembly.The adapter uses a four-arm system to adjust to the different external dimensions of flat-panel monitors and clamp them in place securely. This adapter supports most 13´´-27´´ monitors with thickness of 25.5mm to 45.5mm. It allows your non-VESA monitor to be mounted on almost any ergonomic monitor arm and to be adjusted for improved viewing comfort.Spec&he
llip;
NewStar FPMA-VESA400
from
£14.99
up to
£32.83
Compare prices
3
→
The NEWSTAR FPMA-VESA400 Stand Adapter in black is a versatile and durable accessory that can be used to mount a variety of devices such as monitors, TVs, and other display screens. The stand adapter
more→
is designed to be compatible with the VESA 400 standard, allowing it to securely hold devices with mounting hole patterns up to 400 x 400 mm.This stand adapter is constructed from high-quality materials to ensure stability and support for your devices. It features a sleek black finish that complements most modern electronics and office decor. The stand adapter is easy to install and can be adjusted to the desired height and angle for optimal viewing experience.Whet
her you are using it in a home …
NewStar Neomounts vesa adapter plate Black 25 kg 75 x 75100 x 100 mm 100 mm 150 mm
from
£14.96
up to
£16.29
Compare prices
2
→
The Neomounts by Newstar VESA adapter model FPMA-VESA100 allows a VESA mount with 75x75 mm interface to be used with displays with VESA hole patterns of 100x100. Ideal when flat screen needs different
more→
VESA pattern to select wall- desk- or ceiling mount.N/AN/ANeo
mounts by Newstar FPMA-VESA100 is suitable for screens up to 30" (75 cm). The weight capacity of this product is 25 kg each screen. Depth of this adapter is 3 millimetres only. The adapter is suitable for screens that meet VESA hole pattern 100x100 mm. Different hole patterns can be covered using Neomounts by Newstar VESA adapter plates.N/AN/AAl
l installation material is included with the product.
Ventry - Flat Screen Wall Mount with Double Arm BTV504/B
(VESA 200)
from
£53.99
up to
£82.03
Compare prices
4
→
Designed to wall mount small to medium sized screens this double arm wall mount features a tilting interface and three swivel points allowing quick and easy repositioning of screens as required - whet
more→
her folded flat against the wall at a depth of 79mm or at maximum extension. Cable management is included to help make a neat and tidy mounting solution which is ideal for home installations as well as commercial applications.
- Double arm for extended reach - ideal for corner mounting
- Folds flat to the wall
- Interface features tilt swivel and screen rotation
- Integrated cable management
- Integrated spirit level for easy wall plate levelling during installation
- Simple 'hook-on
9; >>>>>>>
…
Ventry BTV500 119.4 cm Black BTV500/B
(47")
from
£24.95
up to
£28.17
Compare prices
2
→
•Designed for screens up to 42” (107cm) / 40kg (88lbs)
•Suitab
le for VESA and non-VESA mounting patterns
•Mounts screen only 20mm (0.8”) from wall
&bull
more→
;Suitable for concrete brick or stud walls up to 10”
•Post-i
nstallation screen alignment
•Simple hook-on installation with all mounting hardware included
•Securi
ty locking bar to prevent unauthorised screens removal
•Screen Size: up to 42”
•Max. Weight: 40kg (88lbs)
•Dist. From Wall: 20mm (0.8”)
•VESA Compatibility: 50 x 50 75 x 75 100 x 100 200 x 100 200 x 200
•Max Distance between Fixings: H: 225mm (8.6”) V: 200mm (7.9”)
•Colour
s >>>>>>>>>>>>>
…
Viewsonic VB-WMK-001-2C. Mounting: Screws Minimum screen size: 116.8 cm (4
from
£73.44
up to
£74.40
Compare prices
3
→
VIEWBOARD DISPLAYS FLAT MOUNT ON
Viewsonic VB-STND-009 signage display mount 2.67 m Black,
(105")
341.60
Buy!
£
Smartteck.co.uk
Delivery: to United Kingdom
Report
Viewsonic VB-STND-009 signage display mount 2.67 m (105") Black, Silver
Viewsonic VB-STND-002 signage display mount 2.18 m Black
(86")
from
£1,039.24
up to
£1,199.99
Compare prices
2
→
Viewsonic VB-STND-002 signage display mount 2.18 m (86") Black
Viewsonic VB-STND-001-2C signage display mount 2.49 m Black
(98")
from
£313.49
Compare prices
2
→
Viewsonic VB-STND-001-2C signage display mount 2.49 m (98") Black
TTAP Vantage 1200 mm TV Stand - Chrome, Silver/Grey
from
£99.00
up to
£109.00
Compare prices
3
→
Good to know - This TTAP TV stand can hold TVs up to 65” for your binge-watching sessions - You can hide messy wires behind the rear central leg - like they were never even there - The middle and bo
more→
ttom shelves are perfect for housing your soundbar or gaming console________
_______________
_______________
_______________
_______________
________Please note: Screen sizes are a guide only, and it's recommended that you measure the width of your TV, particularly if your TV doesn't have a central base. Recommended screen sizes with split feet may overhang the edge of the stand.
Ubiquiti U-PRO-MP. Product colour: Aluminium
from
£7.08
up to
£16.66
Compare prices
5
→
Versatile mounting system for UAP-AC-PRO UAP-AC-HD UAP-AC-SHD and above.
Sanus Systems Sanus Universal Wall Mount - Black WSBWM1-B2
from
£59.00
up to
£59.99
Compare prices
2
→
Sanus Universal Wall Mount WSBWM1-B2 Wall Bracket in Black
Hama | Universal Wall Bracket for Sound Bar by TV - Black 00108746
from
£11.28
up to
£27.62
Compare prices
3
→
This bracket brought to you by Hama is a smart solution to placing a sound bar close to your TV and a great way of improving the sound quality of your home theatre. It will make your entertainment cen
more→
tre sound and look at its best and is the ultimate accessory to invest in.Can be installed above and below the televisionAllow
s space-saving installation of the device in the living roomMounting directly on the TV, possible with or without a separate TV wall bracketFor fastening a sound bar to a TV setEasy mounting of the sound bar bracket via the VESA mounting holes of the TV setSuitable for all common sound bars, also for Sonos PlaybarWhat's in the Box1 sound bar bracket1 screw setMounting instructionsDes
ign …
Startech.com Universal VESA LCD Monitor Mounting Bracket for 19in Rack or
from
£56.39
up to
£62.99
Compare prices
4
→
The RKLCDBK Universal VESA LCD Monitor Mounting Bracket for 19in Rack or Cabinet lets you mount almost any retail LCD or Touch screen panel into a server/storage rack/cabinet.
The LCD m
more→
ounting bracket is made of solid cold pressed steel (SPCC) is designed to support 100mm and 75mm VESA mounted LCD panels and meets ANSI/EIA RS-310-D standards rack mounting. A unique adjustable design enables an LCD panel to be mounted into the cabinet at various depths - allowing the rack/cabinet door to be closed.
The LCD mounting bracket also supports wall-mounted LCD installation by inverting the adjustable bracket or by adding this bracket to a wall mount bracket or rack such as the 6U (10 inch) Wallmount >>>>&he
llip;
AVF Universal Swivel Table Top Stand Base 200 B200BB
from
£48.99
up to
£52.99
Compare prices
2
→
This TV Base uses standard VESA mounting holes on ALL TVs for cross brand compatibility and ease of installation. There is no need to consider the non-standardise
d original TV base fixing point. I
more→
t is a stylish replacement base for TVs where the original design is not desirable&comma
; the perfect replacement for broken, damaged or lost TV bases or ideal when re-using a previously wall mounted TV without a base. A great solution for wide TV bases which do not fit on stands or furniture. With 45 degrees of rotation the AVF universal TV Base is even perfect for desktop monitors. The added adjustability offers improved ergonomics&comm
a; helping to reduce neck and back pain. Suitable …
AVF Sound Bar Mount - Universal / Sonos Arc Beam Compatible Black AK10
from
£49.99
up to
£59.00
Compare prices
3
→
The perfect solution for mounting your sound bar above or below your TV screen or even direct to the wall, the AVF Universal sound bar mounting kit fits any sound bar including the SONOS BEAM and ARC,
more→
suitable for mounting to any TV with VESA fixing points. The AK100 creates new VESA holes to avoid awkward sandwichi
ng between the TV and Wall Mount making installation nice and easy. Fixing your sound bar to your TV allows the sound bar to move with the screen enhancing your viewing experience. Features: Fits SONOS ARC, Beam and most other generic Sound Bars Mount a Sound Bar above or below your TV screen, or directly to the wall Perfect for TVs on Multi Position Wall Mounts in corners …
Digitus DA-90358
from
£13.49
up to
£30.01
Compare prices
3
→
Tabletop Glass Monitor Riser 560x210x80mm, max load up to 20kgFeatures:- Universal glass monitor riser- Create a ergonomic and clutter free desktop- Elegant glass stand- Tempered safety glass- Anti-sl
more→
ip silicone pads for a safe stand- Fits most 13´´ (33cm) -32´´ (81cm) screens- With the universal glass monitor riser you can raise your monitor to a more ergonomic height and achieve more space at the same time. Thanks to the tempered glass and anti-slip silikon feet this stand provides a safe base for your monitor.Technic
al Details:- Footprint of 56x21cm- Material: Tempered glass, aluminium and plastic- Height: 8cm- Fits most 13´´ (33cm) -32´´ (81cm) screens- Weight: 1,51kg- Dimensions: 56x21x8c&hellip
;
Digitus Universal Full Motion TV Wall Bracket, 23" - 55" DA-90377
37.02
Buy!
£
Smartteck.co.uk
Delivery: to United Kingdom
Report
Digitus Universal Full Motion TV Wall Bracket, 23" - 55"
B-Tech Universal Flat Screen Wall Mount . Maximum weight capacit
(VESA 600)
from
£67.84
up to
£71.39
Compare prices
1
→
Designed for large sized screens the BT8442 supports weights up to 80kg and features a low-profile design that mounts screens just 30mm from the wall. The universal interface accommodates mounting pat
more→
terns up to 655 x 400mm and comes with adjustment screws which allow the screen to be levelled once mounted.
- Low profile design for a close to the wall installation
- Lateral adjustment of screen once mounted
- Levelling screws allow adjustment of screen height
- Compatible with B-Tech's collar and pole system for pole mounting screens
- Security locking screws help prevent unauthorised removal of screens
- Simple hook-on installation
- All mounting hardware included>>>>>>>>
…
B-Tech Universal Flat Screen Wall Mount BT8442/B
(VESA 600)
from
£67.84
up to
£71.39
Compare prices
1
→
B-Tech Universal Flat Screen Wall Mount (VESA 600)
B-Tech Universal Flat Screen Trolley with Motorised Height Adjustment (VES
from
£972.90
up to
£982.26
Compare prices
2
→
Motorised Height Adjustable Flat Screen Trolley
The BT8568 is a mobile solution designed to mount large screens up to 86. Electronic height adjustment enables effortless raising and lowering of
more→
the screen via a wired control panel with an adjustment range of up to 650mm. This trolley is ideal for mounting interactive touchscreens into education and corporate environments and is capable of supporting loads up to 100kg. The mount has a modern design and features a simple hook-on installation for quick and easy screen fitting and incorporates an adapter plate for the fitting of AV accessory shelves.
- Features
- Bracket Type Trolley
- Bracket Function Electric Height Adjustable
- Minimum >>>>>
…
24
more item(s)
1
...
93
94
95
96
97
...
708
Filters
Nothing found
Price
from
£
up to
£
Brands
3M
Acer
Actona
Advantech
Aisens
Alexander
Allcam
ALOGIC
Alphason
Alpina
Alpine
Amer
Ames
Andersen
AOC
APC
Apex
Apple
Approx
ARCTIC
Ardent
Ares
Arkas
Aro
ART
Artisan
Artus
Aruba
Arya
Asaka
Aspen
ASRock
Asus
Atacama Audio
ATEN
ATRIA
Aurea
AVCom
Aver Media
AVF
Avon
Avtek
Axis
Azusa
B-Tech
B&W
BakkerElkhuizen
Barco
Barkan
Basix
BELARUS
Beliani
Belkin
Benetti
BERGEN
Berger
Best
Bigben
Black Oak
BLOW
Bonita
Boston Acoustics
Brainboxes
Brateck
Bronze Gym
Brother
Bury
Buxton
Cabinet
Cabletech
Calibre
CAMA Meble
Canton
Canyon
Carbon
CAROLUS
Carson
Celexon
Celia
Century
Cherry
Chief
CHROMA
Cisco
CITY
Classic
Clear
CLIO
Conceptronic
Coolbox
Core Products
CORONA
Cosmo
Costway
Crosley
CTOUCH
Dahua
Daniel
Dataflex
Datalogic
Davis
Debby
Deep Blue
Dell
Dellonda
DELTACO
Denon
Derby
Diamond
Dicota
Digitus
DOREL
Dove
Durable
Dynamic
Eaton
ECG
ECHO
EDBAK
EDEN
EDGE
Edison
EDM
Effect
Electric
Electron
Elegant
Elements
ELKO
ELM
ELO
Ematic
Eminent
EMOS
Empire
Endorfy
Epson
Equip
Erard
Ergo Office
Ergosolid
Ergotron
Esperanza
Essential
eSTUFF
Ewent
Ex-Pro
Extra
Fargo Electronics
Fellowes
Finish
Fiora
Flat
Flex
Flexson
Flip
Flora
Florence
Frame
Fujitsu
Fulton
Galicia
Gembird
Geneva
Genie
Glorious
GLOSS
Goobay
GR8 Home
Grande
Graphite
Hagor
Hague
Hama
Hannspree
Harvey
Heartlands Furniture
Holder
HOMCOM
Home Discount
Honeywell
HP
Huawei
Humanscale
i-Tech
Icy Box
Iggual
Iiyama
Inch
INDI
InLine
Interiors
iRon
ISEO
Italian Style
IZOLA
j5create
Jual
Julian Bowen
Kassel
Kenmore
Kensington
Kivi
Kodak
Kolink
Kramer
KRUX
LaMar
Lancaster
LAVA
LEITZ
Lenovo
Leon
LG
Lian Li
Libox
Lido
Lindy
LINE
Living and Home
Loewe
LogiLink
Logitech
Loraine
Lorenz Electric
LPD
LTC
Maclean
Macon
Macron
Manfrotto
MANGO
MANHATTAN
Marin
Marta
Mateo
Mavis
Medium
Megasat
Meliconi
Merano
Mercury
Merida
MiaMI
Microsoft
MILAN
Minsk
MMT Furniture Designs
Modena
Modern
Monza
Mood
Mountech
Multibrackets
Naim Audio
NanoRS
Napa
Narva
NAVY
NB
NEC
Nedis
Neovo
Nest
Newland
Newline
Newport
NewStar
Next Level Racing
Nilox
Ninja
Nitro
NOA
NorStone
North
Nova
Novus
Oak
Old Wood
OMB
Omega
One For All
ONKRON
Opticum
Optoma
Pacific
Palmer
Park
Pavia
Pearl
Peerless
Philips
Phoenix
Piper
Plano
Playseat
PMV
Polar
Port Designs
Prima
Pro-Ject
Promethean
ProperAV
Pure
Qualita
Quatro
Quick
R-Go Tools
RaidSonic
Reflecta
Regal
Rio
Riviera
Roline
Rose
ROSS
Rossini
Round
ROYAL
Sage
Salta
Salter
Samsung
SAN
Sanford
Santino
Sanus Systems
SBOX
Scandi
Schwaiger
Sebring
Sennheiser
Seta
Sherwood
SHOW
Sierra
SilverStone
Simimi
SION
Sioux
Sky
Smart Technologies
SMS
SOLID
Solidsteel
Sonia
Sonorous
Sonos
Sony
Sophia
SP
SPALDING
Sparks
SPECTRAL
Stanley
Star
Startech.com
STATUS
Steel
Steelcase
Stoker
Stone
STUDIO
Subsonic
Sunne
Superior
Swift
Systemline
Targus
Taurus
Taylor
TCL
TechLink
TECHLY
TechniSat
Tectake
Teknik
TerraTec
Thomson
Thor
TITAN
TOA
Toledo
TooQ
Topeshop
Torino
Tortilla
Torus
TrippLite
Tronje
Trust
TTAP
TVS
Twist
Ubiquiti
Ultra
Ultron
Unit
Universal
UP3D
V7
VidaXL
Viewsonic
Vintage
Vision
Vivanco
Vivolink
Vogel
Vogels
VonHaus
Wacom
Waterford
Wave
Weston
Wharfedale
Wide
X Rocker
XtremeMac
Yaheetech
Yealink
Zack
Zebra
Zinger
All brands
Main brands
Series
Colour
Product type
wall mount
ceiling mount
floor mount
desktop mount
straight cabinet
corner сabinet
сabinet with mounts
for DVD players
for CRT TV
Screen size
≤ 20"
21 – 25"
26 – 30"
31 – 35"
36 – 40"
41 – 45"
46 – 50"
51 – 55"
56 – 60"
> 60"
Max. weight
≤ 20 kg
21 – 30 kg
31 – 40 kg
41 – 50 kg
51 – 60 kg
> 60 kg
Adjustments
tilt
turn
depth adjustment
slide
rotation
height adjustment
VESA mount dimensions
50x50mm
75x75mm
100x100 mm
100x200mm
200x100mm
200x200mm
200x300 mm
200x400mm
300x200mm
300x300mm
300x400mm
400x200mm
400x300mm
400x400mm
500x400mm
600x400mm
600x600mm
700x400mm
800x400mm
800x600mm
800x800mm
900x400 mm
900x500 mm
900x600 mm
1000x500mm
1000x600 mm
Desk mount installation
stand
clamp
bolt-through
Number of mounts
for 1 panel
for 2 panels
for 3 panels
for 4 panels
More features
for curved TV
cable management
USB hub
portrait orientation
built-in level
transportation wheels
drawers
closed compartments
Min. distance from the wall
≤ 25 mm
26 – 50 mm
51 – 75 mm
76 – 100 mm
101 – 125 mm
> 125 mm
roll up
more
Max. distance from the wall
≤ 25 mm
26 – 50 mm
51 – 100 mm
101 – 250 mm
251 – 400 mm
401 – 600 mm
> 600 mm
Max. downward tilt angle
≤ 10°
11 – 15°
16 – 20°
> 20°
Open shelves
1 shelf
2 shelves
3 shelves
≥ 4 shelves
Stand material
wood
metal
Got ideas or questions about filters? Click here!
Models
on sale
all
Brands
ARCTIC
AVF
Chief
Ergotron
Fellowes
Gembird
Hama
Kensington
LogiLink
Maclean
NewStar
One For All
Peerless
Startech.com
Vogels
All brands
Questions and suggestions for model selection →
Catalog
/
TV Mounts & Stands
Compare
Comparison
Bookmarks
History
0
product
for total:
from
This website uses cookies. Proceeding to use this website gives your consent for gathering and processing your data for analytic and marketing purposes.
Cookie settings
Yes, I agree