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Grenlander Maho 79 235/65 R17 104H
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Grenlander Maho 79 235/65 R17 104H
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Powertrac RacingPro 215/55 R17 98W
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Powertrac RacingPro 215/55 R17 98W
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Michelin Primacy 4 215/55 R17 98W
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Michelin Primacy 4 215/55 R17 98W
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4
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98
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Pirelli Scorpion Verde 235/65 R17 108V Volvo
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Pirelli Scorpion Verde 235/65 R17 108V
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Aplus A610 225/50 R17 98W
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Aplus A610 225/50 R17 98W
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225/50 R17
98
W
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Sunfull SF-982 205/50 R17 93H
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Sunfull SF-982 205/50 R17 93H
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Lassa Competus A/T 3 265/65 R17 112T
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Hankook Ventus Prime4 K135 235/50 R17 96W
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Hankook Ventus Prime4 K135 235/50 R17 96W
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Triangle AdvanteX TC101 215/65 R17 103W
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Nexen N`Fera Primus 215/55 R17 94V
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Nexen N`Fera Primus 215/55 R17 94V
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Yokohama Advan Sport V105 255/60 R17 110W
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BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A KO2 265/65 R17 120S
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Kormoran SUV Summer 225/65 R17 106H
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Kormoran SUV Summer 225/65 R17 106H
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102
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Toyo Snowprox S954 235/65 R17 104H
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Nexen N`Fera SU1 235/45 R17 97Y
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Ovation Eco Vision VI-286 HT 225/65 R17 102H
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Ovation Eco Vision VI-286 HT 225/65 R17 102H
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Cooper Discoverer S/T Maxx 265/70 R17 121Q
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Cooper Discoverer S/T Maxx 265/70 R17 121Q
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0
0
1
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Q
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Laufenn S Fit EQ Plus LK01 205/50 R17 93W
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Laufenn S Fit EQ Plus LK01 205/50 R17 93W
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Petlas Velox Sport PT741 235/55 R17 103W
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Continental EcoContact 6 215/55 R17 98V
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Continental EcoContact 6 215/55 R17 98V
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Continental ContiSportContact 5 195/45 R17 81W
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Kleber Dynaxer SUV 215/65 R17 99V
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315 mm
320 mm
325 mm
335 mm
345 mm
> 345 mm
8.5"
9.5"
10.5"
11.5"
12.5"
13.5"
> 13.5"
Aspect ratio (%)
25
30
35
40
45
50
55
60
65
70
75
80
82
85
≥ 90
Suitable for
passenger cars & SUV
sports track
all-terrain
mud-terrain
commercial
Speed rating
< 150 km/h
P/150 km/h
Q/160 km/h
R/170 km/h
S/180km/h
T/190 km/h
U/200 km/h
H/210 km/h
V/240 km/h
W/270 km/h
Y/300 km/h
Load index
≤ 85 (515 kg)
86 – 90 (530 – 600 kg)
91 – 95 (615 – 690 kg)
96 – 100 (710 – 800 kg)
101 – 110 (825 – 1060 kg)
111 – 120 (1090 – 1400 kg)
≥ 121 (1.45 t)
Rating tests (editor's view)
TOP 3
TOP 5
TOP 7
More features
RunFlat
no RunFlat
Seal (puncture sealing)
fuel-efficient
roll up
more
Tread pattern
directional symmetric
directional asymmetric
non-directional symmetric
non-directional asymmetric
Fuel efficiency
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
Wet grip rate
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
Wear resistance (Treadwear)
≤ 250
251 – 300
301 – 350
> 350
Noise level
low noise tyres ( ≤ 70 dB)
average noise (71 – 73 dB)
noisy tyres ( ≥ 74 dB)
Homologation
Audi
Audi RS
Alfa Romeo
Aston Martin
Bentley
BMW / Mini
BMW M
Ferrari
Ford
Hyundai
Honda
Jeep
Jaguar / Land Rover
Lamborghini
Lancia
Mercedes-Benz
Mercedes-AMG
Maserati
McLaren
Nissan
Opel
Peugeot / Citroen
Porsche
Renault
Rolls-Royce
SEAT / Skoda
Toyota
Tesla
Volvo
Volkswagen
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