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Coleman Big Bay Mummy Sleeping Bag Cool-Weather 0F/20F/40F Camping Sleepin
INSULATED BODY: Coletherm MAX Insulation provides superior heat retention in temperatures as low as 0°F, semi-sculpted hood helps lock in heat FOOT VENTILATION: J-zipper lets you air out footbox on warmer nights COMPRESSIBLE STUFF SACK: Makes it easy to quickly pack up and store sleeping bag HEAT RETENTION: Thermolock draft tube prevents heat loss through the zipper EASY ZIP: ZipPlow patented zipper design prevents snags so bag is easy to open and close
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The North Face Cats Meow
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Vango Shangri-La Luxe King Size Sleeping Bag Shadow Grey
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Mountain Hardwear Lamina Eco AF -1°
(Long, LZ, Grey)
Mummy Sleeping Bag / Trekking / -21 °C Comfort Temperature / Winter
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Outwell Oak Supreme 230343
Size: 220 x 84 cm (LxW)
Body length: 195 cm
Seasons: 3
Shell: 50D 300T Micro Pongee, 100% polyester
Lining: 50D 300T Micro Pongee, 100% polyester
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Snugpak Softie 10 WGTE Sleeping Bag with Softie Premier Insulation - Light
Superior insulation: The exclusive Softie Premier filling of our innovative sleeping bag ensures unmatched thermal insulation, trapping heat effectively for a cosy, warm night's sleep, from temperatures -7°C / 19°F to -12°C / 10°F. No cold spots: The no stitch-through construction of this mummy sleeping bag eliminates potential cold spots, ensuring you a warm and comfortable sleep, and making it a go-to choice for adventurers and trekkers. Hood & zipper features: The elasticated drawcord-adjustable hood and two-way YKK zippers with an insulated baffle of this single sleeping bag ensure extra warmth and flexibility, along with an anti-snag zipper tape for hassle-free use. Dual-purpose foot…
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Vango Selene Kingsize Double
double
compression bag
two way zipper
Type:
camping
Format:
blanket bag
Weight:
6.7 kg
Season:
spring/autumn, summer
t°:
comfort 2 °C, min. -3 °C, extreme -20 °C
Dimensions:
225х168х168 cm, for height up to 200 cm, folded 48х48х33 cm
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Coleman Big Game 0F Big & Tall Sleeping Bag Made from Recycled Material Co
Eco-Conscious: Made with 100% post-consumer-recycl
ed Ecotherm fill Spacious: Big and Tall size fits campers up to 6’5”. roomy 84” x 40” dimensions Versatile: 2-way zipper opens to cool feet and can zip two bags together for double the room Heat Retention: Thermolock draft tube helps prevent heat loss through the zipper Convenience: Handy interior pocket for keeping small items close at hand Cold-Weather Comfort: Cotton, Sherpa lining provides warmth in frigid temperatures Imported: High quality and built to last
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Robens Base Camp Beige,Green Regular / Left Zipper
Basecamp.FEATURES:-S
quare bag with adjustable hood for comfortable sleeping.-Full open L-shaped zip - opens out flat to be used duvet-style.-Zipped pillow pocket in hood.-Redefined neck baffle position and profile minimise draughts and heat loss.-Hood drawcords use different thicknesses for quick, easy adjustment by touch.-Insulated face and neck baffle.-Anti-snag zip guard.-Full-length insulated zip baffle.-Hanger loops.-Compression stuff sack.-PFC free.Size:230 x 85 cm (LxW).Shell:Polynylo
n, 85% polyester / 15% nylon.Tubes:195 cm.Filling:OneThermo
, 100% polyester.Lining:200
TC soft finish, 100% cotton.Zipper:YKK 2-way L-shape open-end with auto lock.Construction:Si
ngle layer.Seasons:2-3.Te
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Kelty Cosmic Ultra 20 Regular
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Type:
trekking
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bag-cocoon
Weight:
1.09 kg
Season:
winter, spring/autumn
t°:
comfort -1 °C, min. -7 °C, extreme -24 °C
Dimensions:
198x79x51 cm, for height up to 183 cm, folded 33x20x20 cm
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Rab Solar Ultra 1 Lightweight , Regular | LH Zip Granite QSS-0
Synthetic insulated sleeping bag for lightweight mountain ascents in spring and summer conditions. With over 30-years of experience, Rab sleeping bags are built on tried and tested designs crafted using the highest quality fabrics with an attention to detail that makes them a trusted name in outdoor equipment. Each Rab sleeping bag designed, hand-filled, stitched and finished in Derbyshire UK.Rabs Solar Ultra Series blends an advanced construction and heat-retaining TILT technology with recycled fabric and insulation to deliver their highest performing synthetic bag yet that embraces a sustainable design.The Solar Ultra 1 sleeping bag built for lightweight mountain ascents and features a warm,…
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Deuter Astro 250 L
lightweight
fluff
Type:
trekking
Format:
bag-cocoon
Weight:
0.92 kg
Season:
spring/autumn
t°:
comfort 10 °C, min. 6 °C, extreme -10 °C
Dimensions:
220x80x52 cm, folded 28x15x15 cm
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Mivardi New Dynasty M-SLBND
An all season sleeping bag of the highest grade. A double padded bottom layer increases the ground insulation. The bag has two independent fully padded and insulated top layers. When both of the layers are combined the bag is suitable for very cold conditions. The special Thermo Stop collar also aids in insulation in these extreme conditions. In light frost and temperatures around 0°C this sleeping bag provides excellent comfort. Using only one of the layers is recommended in spring or autumn. The second layer can be used separately as i comfortable cover during the warmer weather. The “Peach Skin” material on the outer shell is fully water resistant. The inner lining is manufactured from i pre…
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Marmot Lost Coast 40 Red Regular / Left Zipper
Expand your campsite horizons beyond your car with a pack-friendly down bag that´s packed full of comfort.Lofty, yet light, this down mummy bag is packable enough to carry on your back and roomy enough for nights cozied up in the trunk.100% post-consumer recycled ripstop shell and liner can handle extended use on the trail with lightweight 600-fill down to keep you warm whether you´re setting up a plush off-grid basecamp for the weekend or moving to new sites every night.Anti-snag zipper slider makes getting in and out a breeze and allows you to easily dial in your comfort throughout the night.Internal stash pocket is perfect for keeping small valuables safe and warm with the help of your bo…
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Big Agnes Insulated Q Core SLX Large Sleeping Pad PQCSLXL20
Big Agnes Insulated Q Core SLX Large Sleeping Pad Don't compromise on your sleep during camping trips, the Big Agnes Insulated Q Core SLX Large Sleeping Pad will keep you warm, comfortable and well supported. The PrimaLoft® Silver Insulation layer and a heat reflective barrier work to retain your body heat, while the top layer of the pad is quilted for a cushioned, cosy feel. The pad is easy to inflate thanks to the high volume valve and up-cycled inflation sack, and once deflated, it packs down incredibly small to fit in a bag. Double rip-stop Nylon and TPU lamination ensure the pad is tough and reliable and an internal treatment prevents the growth of microorganisms. ##VIMEO:387558686:56
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Nordisk Puk -10ºc Yellow,Blue Long / Left Zipper
Cosy winter mummy sleeping bag- Puk -10°Mummy Is A Classic Nordisk Winter Sleeping Bag. Together With The Off-Set Double Box Chamber Construction The Norguard S-Po 80 Fibre Filling Offers Very Good Insulation Properties. But That'S Not All, The Tough Polyester Rip-Stop Shell Makes The Bag Durable And The Soft Touch Lining Makes It Really Comfortable To Sleep In. Internal Thermal Collar And Chest Pocket.Features:- Mummy Shape With Contour Hood And Spacious Footbox- Side Zip, 2-Way- Lightweight Polyester Rip-Stop Shell And Soft Touch Lining- Internal Chest Pocket And Thermal CollarSpecifications
:- Sleeping Bag Type: Winter Temperature:- Comfort: -5 ℃- Limit: -10 ℃- Extreme: -20 ℃- Tested Accordi…
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Kelty Cosmic 20° Lightweight Down Sleeping Bag, Long 35413724RR
Lightweight down-fill sleeping bag with draft-collar hood for 3-season camping hiking. The most popular bag in the Kelty line, the Cosmic Down 20 sleeping bag gives you a feature-packed outdoor essential at a fantastic price.The Cosmic Down 20 features comfy, quick-drying 600 fill DriDown for 3-season insulation. DriDown delivers high-loft insulation that maintains thermal efficiency even when damp. The upgraded design includes soft-as-silk nylon taffeta shell and liner fabric and a handy stash pocket to keep smaller essentials close to hand.An anti-snag zipper does just that while a draft collar and comfort hood help to seal out drafts for the next level in comfort. Includes stuff sack for …
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Millet Light Down 5
lightweight
compression bag
fluff
Type:
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Format:
bag-cocoon
Weight:
0.54 kg
Season:
spring/autumn, summer
t°:
comfort 10 °C, min. 5 °C, extreme -10 °C
Dimensions:
215х80х45 cm, for height up to 185 cm
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Big Agnes Anthracite 20 Regular
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expeditionary
Format:
bag-cocoon
Weight:
1.25 kg
Season:
winter, spring/autumn
t°:
min. -6 °C, extreme -23 °C
Dimensions:
for height up to 183 cm, folded 23х23x23 cm
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Nordisk Oppland 2 Lw Sparepole Set Golden,Silver
Nordisk Spare Poles are available as accessories for every Nordisk tent style, offering the possibility to prolong the lifetime of your Nordisk tent substantially. So if you lose, break or bend one of your Nordisk tent poles, there is no need to worry: simply exchange the damaged pole with a new tailored replacement pole. Even if nothing is broken, a spare set of poles is good to bring along as extras or for tarp set ups. All Nordisk spare poles have detachable bungs offering the possibility to shorten and tailor the poles for other purposes, but still in the well known Nordisk quality.Features:- Tailored to each tent style- Prolongs the lifetime of your Nordisk tent- Extra poles available for …
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Kelty Women's Cosmic Down 20° Lightweight Sleeping Bag, Green 35413824RR
Great value ladies down sleeping bag with a lightweight compact design for 3-season camping trekking. The Womens Cosmic Down 20 sleeping bag from Kelty gives you an updated design thats well-suited to fast-moving outdoor adventures across a range of conditions.This lightweight and compact womens down bag perfect for 3-season camping and backpacking. It features a lightweight and highly compressible 550 fill power down insulation with a durable yet light 20D nylon shell. The new design uses a trapezoidal baffle construction for improved heat retention with an environmentally friendly PFC-free water-repellent coating.Other features include a zippered internal stash pocket for your smaller essentials …
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Nemo Forte Women's 35 Endless Promise Synthetic , Regular
100 recycled fabric sleeping bag from Nemo Equipment in a classic Spoon shape for camping comfort. The Forte Womens 35 Endless Promise from Nemo Equipment gives you a standout ladies sleeping bag with a truly sustainable design thats ideal for side-sleepers for use on 3-season, warmer weather camps and treks.As part of Nemos first Endless Promise product, the Forte series 100 recyclable using recycled fabric and insulation. The considered design ensures no waste left on the cutting room floor with the full-length draft tube filled with reclaimed fiber leftovers. A lightweight, lofty and resilient Primaloft RISE insulation made from 100 post-consumer recycled content for an eco-friendly design …
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Sea To Summit Trailhead ThII Long
compression bag
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Format:
bag-cocoon
Weight:
1.2 kg
Season:
spring/autumn
t°:
comfort 5 °C, min. -1 °C, extreme -16 °C
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Marmot Ultra Elite 30 Long Extra Long Light Summer Sleeping Bag - Dark Ste
The lightweight mummy sleeping bag with ElixeR micro: a premium mix of three fibres that offers maximum warmth, compression and a soft down feel Three-season sleeping bag with anatomically optimized fit in the head and foot area guarantees better insulation and more comfort when sleeping. additional ventilation thanks to an extra zipper The 20D 100% nylon rip stop outer Material is breathable and windproof. Draft collar and hood. can also be used as a cover. temperature range from 5°C to -14°C Warm sleeping bag with fluffy lining made from 100% nylon, full length (left) zipper with YKK 2-way closure and Zip guard pinch protection Ultra light sleeping bag for tall people, ideal for backpacking an…
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