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BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A KO2 285/65 R18 121R
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BF Goodrich All Terrain T/A KO2 285/65 R18 121R
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Goodyear Ultra Grip Performance Plus 255/65 R18 111H
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Goodyear Ultra Grip Performance Plus 255/65 R18 111H
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255/65 R18
111
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Toyo Open Country A20 215/55 R18 95H
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Toyo Open Country A20 215/55 R18 95H
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Pirelli Scorpion Winter 235/65 R18 110H
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Pirelli Scorpion Winter 235/65 R18 110H
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Hankook Winter I*Cept X RW10 255/55 R18 109T
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Hankook Winter I*Cept X RW10 255/55 R18 109T
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1
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Vredestein Wintrac Pro 225/60 R18 104V
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Vredestein Wintrac Pro 225/60 R18 104V
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Nexen Roadian HTX RH5 275/65 R18 116T
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Nexen Roadian HTX RH5 275/65 R18 116T
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Kleber Krisalp HP3 215/50 R18 92V
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Kleber Krisalp HP3 215/50 R18 92V
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V
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Bridgestone Blizzak LM001 225/60 R18 104H BMW/Mini
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Bridgestone Blizzak LM001 225/60 R18 104H
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Debica Frigo HP2 245/45 R18 100V
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Debica Frigo HP2 245/45 R18 100V
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Kleber Krisalp HP3 225/60 R18 100H
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100
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Continental WinterContact TS870P 235/60 R18 107V
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95
H
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Pirelli Winter SottoZero 3 225/60 R18 100H
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Pirelli Winter SottoZero 3 225/60 R18 100H
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8
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Kumho Solus 4S HA32 235/65 R18 110H
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Kumho Solus 4S HA32 235/65 R18 110H
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Continental VikingContact 8 225/60 R18 104H
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Continental VikingContact 8 225/60 R18 104H
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Michelin Latitude Tour HP 235/65 R18 110V
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Michelin Latitude Tour HP 235/65 R18 110V
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2
2
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V
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Dunlop Winter Sport 5 215/55 R18 99V
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Dunlop Winter Sport 5 215/55 R18 99V
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Nokian WR Snowproof P 245/45 R18 100V
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Nokian WR Snowproof P 245/45 R18 100V
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Michelin X-Ice Snow 235/55 R18 104T
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Michelin X-Ice Snow 235/55 R18 104T
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Nexen Winguard Sport 2 245/60 R18 105H
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105
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Michelin CrossClimate 2 245/60 R18 105V
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W
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Nexen Winguard Winspike 3 235/60 R18 107T
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Nexen Winguard Winspike 3 235/60 R18 107T
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1
0
0
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Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice 3 225/50 R18 99T
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12.5"
13.5"
> 13.5"
Aspect ratio (%)
25
30
35
40
45
50
55
60
65
70
75
80
82
85
≥ 90
Suitable for
passenger cars & SUV
sports track
all-terrain
mud-terrain
commercial
Speed rating
< 150 km/h
P/150 km/h
Q/160 km/h
R/170 km/h
S/180km/h
T/190 km/h
U/200 km/h
H/210 km/h
V/240 km/h
W/270 km/h
Y/300 km/h
Load index
≤ 85 (515 kg)
86 – 90 (530 – 600 kg)
91 – 95 (615 – 690 kg)
96 – 100 (710 – 800 kg)
101 – 110 (825 – 1060 kg)
111 – 120 (1090 – 1400 kg)
≥ 121 (1.45 t)
Rating tests (editor's view)
TOP 3
TOP 5
TOP 7
More features
RunFlat
no RunFlat
Seal (puncture sealing)
fuel-efficient
roll up
more
Tread pattern
directional symmetric
directional asymmetric
non-directional symmetric
non-directional asymmetric
Fuel efficiency
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
Wet grip rate
A
B
C
D
E
F
G
Noise level
low noise tyres ( ≤ 70 dB)
average noise (71 – 73 dB)
noisy tyres ( ≥ 74 dB)
Homologation
Audi
Audi RS
Alfa Romeo
Aston Martin
Bentley
BMW / Mini
BMW M
BMW Alpina
Ferrari
Ford
Hyundai
Honda
Jeep
Jaguar / Land Rover
Lamborghini
Lancia
Mercedes-Benz
Mercedes-AMG
Maserati
McLaren
Nissan
Opel
Peugeot / Citroen
Porsche
Renault
Rolls-Royce
SEAT / Skoda
Toyota
Tesla
Volvo
Volkswagen
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