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Makita LS003GZ01
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Makita LS003GZ01
XGT
soft start
motor protection
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
305 mm, cutting depth 107 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
29.8 kg
Cutting width:
382 mm
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Makita DLS211ZU
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Makita DLS211ZU
LXT
soft start
motor protection
marker
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
305 mm, cutting depth 107 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
31.3 kg
Cutting width:
363 mm
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Bosch GCM 18V-305 GDC Professional 0601B43000
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Bosch GCM 18V-305 GDC Professional 0601B43000
Professional
soft start
motor protection
marker
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
305 mm, cutting depth 104 mm
Power:
2000 W
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
26.9 kg
Cutting width:
341 mm
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Makita LS002GZ01
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Makita LS002GZ01
XGT
soft start
motor protection
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
216 mm, cutting depth 70 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
15.71 kg
Cutting width:
312 mm
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DeWALT DCS781N
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DeWALT DCS781N
XR FLEXVOLT
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
305 mm, cutting depth 112 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
23 kg
Cutting width:
310 mm
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Einhell Classic TE-SM 36/210 Li Solo
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Einhell Classic TE-SM 36/210 Li Solo
Classic
marker
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
210 mm, cutting depth 65 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
12.3 kg
Cutting width:
310 mm
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Makita DLS110Z
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Makita DLS110Z
LXT
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track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
260 mm, cutting depth 91 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
26.6 kg
Cutting width:
310 mm
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DeWALT DCS781B
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DeWALT DCS781B
XR FLEXVOLT
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
305 mm, cutting depth 112 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
23 kg
Cutting width:
310 mm
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Bosch GCM 18V-216 D Professional 0601B51000
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Bosch GCM 18V-216 D Professional 0601B51000
Professional
soft start
marker
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
216 mm, cutting depth 66 mm
Power supply:
mains (230 V)
Weight:
16.4 kg
Cutting width:
305 mm
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Metabo KGS 18 LTX BL 254 614254850
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Metabo KGS 18 LTX BL 254 614254850
LTX
soft start
motor protection
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
254 mm, cutting depth 92 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
14.8 kg
Cutting width:
305 mm
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Batavia 7063453
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Batavia 7063453
marker
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
216 mm, cutting depth 62 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
12.6 kg
Cutting width:
305 mm
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319.99
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DeWALT DCS727N
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DeWALT DCS727N
XR FLEXVOLT
motor protection
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
250 mm, cutting depth 90 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
20.5 kg
Cutting width:
305 mm
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Metabo KGS 18 LTX BL 305 614305850
LTX
soft start
motor protection
LED light
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
305 mm, cutting depth 110 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
17.4 kg
Cutting width:
305 mm
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Metabo KGS 18 LTX BL 216 614216650
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Metabo KGS 18 LTX BL 216 614216650
LTX
soft start
motor protection
LED light
track function
battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
216 mm, cutting depth 70 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
13.5 kg
Cutting width:
305 mm
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Makita LS004GZ01
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Makita LS004GZ01
XGT
soft start
motor protection
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
260 mm, cutting depth 91 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
25.9 kg
Cutting width:
305 mm
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Bosch GCM 18V-254 D Professional 0601B51100
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Bosch GCM 18V-254 D Professional 0601B51100
Professional
soft start
marker
LED light
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
254 mm, cutting depth 90 mm
Power supply:
mains (230 V)
Weight:
17.7 kg
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305 mm
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DeWALT DHS780N
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DeWALT DHS780N
XR FLEXVOLT
motor protection
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
305 mm, cutting depth 110 mm
Power:
1600 W
Power supply:
battery / mains (230 V)
Weight:
25.5 kg
Cutting width:
303 mm
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Bosch GCM 18V-216 DC Professional 0601B47000
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Bosch GCM 18V-216 DC Professional 0601B47000
Professional
motor protection
marker
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
216 mm, cutting depth 70 mm
Power:
1600 W
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
15.3 kg
Cutting width:
300 mm
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Makita DLS713NZ
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Makita DLS713NZ
LXT
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
190 mm, cutting depth 52 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
12.4 kg
Cutting width:
300 mm
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Makita DLS714NZ
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Makita DLS714NZ
LXT
soft start
motor protection
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
190 mm, cutting depth 52 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
13.5 kg
Cutting width:
300 mm
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Makita DLS714Z
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Makita DLS714Z
LXT
soft start
motor protection
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
190 mm, cutting depth 52 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
13.5 kg
Cutting width:
300 mm
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Milwaukee M18 FMS254-0
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Milwaukee M18 FMS254-0
motor protection
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
254 mm, cutting depth 91 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
20 kg
Cutting width:
289 mm
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Milwaukee M18 SMS216-0
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Milwaukee M18 SMS216-0
M18
motor protection
marker
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
216 mm, cutting depth 60 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
14.5 kg
Cutting width:
270 mm
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DeWALT DCS777N
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DeWALT DCS777N
XR FLEXVOLT
motor protection
LED light
track function
no battery
Saw type:
stationary, trimming
Canvas:
216 mm, cutting depth 60 mm
Power supply:
battery
Weight:
14 kg
Cutting width:
270 mm
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No load blade speed
≤ 3000 rpm
3001 – 4000 rpm
4001 – 5000 rpm
> 5000 rpm
Features
chain brake
anti-vibration system
keyless
multiple speeds (>1)
soft start
motor protection
brushless motor
oil-free design
laser marker
LED light
speed controller
speed control
motor brake
safety clutch
top handle (single-handed)
rotary handle
track function
stationary installation
left-blade
water cooling
keyless blade change
pendulum action
charge level indicator
powered by two batteries
transportation wheels
display
smartphone synchronization
In box
no battery
battery
2 batteries
several blades
several cut blades
dust collector
stand
no stand
case (bag)
Motor location
longitudinally
transversely
Displacement
<
35 – 39 cm³
40 – 44 cm³
45 – 49 cm³
50 – 54 cm³
55 – 59 cm³
60 – 69 cm³
≥ 70 cm³
Battery mount
pod-type
slide-type
Bore diameter
< 20 mm
20 mm
25 mm
30 mm
> 30 mm
Chain pitch
0.325"
3/8"
Weight (portable)
≤ 3 kg
3.1 – 4 kg
4.1 – 5 kg
5.1 – 6 kg
6.1 – 7 kg
> 7 kg
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