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Fairnull 2Pcs Analog Thumb Joystick Repair Parts Dualshock Replacement for
Replacement analog stick for Sony PS4/PS4 4/ PS4 Slim/PS4 Pro.Please confirm this item is the right model you need before placing order.Most repair parts are only suitable for special model.Comes with no manual, no instruction guide and no video guide.Professional installation skill is needed.Item Name: Analog JoystickMaterial: MetalQuantity: 2PcsCompatible Model: for Sony PS4/PS4 4/ PS4 Slim/PS4 ProFeatures: Durable, Replace Tools, Game Controller AccessoriesNote: Due to the light and screen setting difference, the item& 39;s color may be slightly different from the pictures.Package Includes:2 x Analog Joysticks2 x Caps1 x Screwdriver
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F7 Claw Tablet Controller Joystick Compatible with / Android Tablets Plug
型号:F7 连接:即插即用 工作平台:iOS 和 Android 兼容设备:适用于 Android 平板电脑 兼容平板电脑厚度:6-12 毫米 电池容量:内置 90mAh 可充电锂电池 连接方式:Type-C 包装 尺寸:170x118x60 毫米 重量:248g 颜色:黑色 材质:塑料 包装内容: 1 套 x F7 爪式平板电脑控制器 仅上述包装内容,不包括其他产品。 注意:光线反射和不同的显示器可能会导致图
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F4 Falcon Mobile Gaming Controller For Pubg Capacitor Handle Joystick For
It's freer and simpler to random hand click than hand speed recording. 9 a second, sharp sharp, single turned into a continuous F4 set 9 consecutive hair, press and hold the trigger key, can automatically the random click frequency of the hand, a key to connect the screen, so that m16a4/mini/ class , stable at the same time, with 9 / s speed has full automatic fire, eat chicken fast and hard stability. The second generation of capacitance mapping technology click trigger more stable and sensitive new F4. Compared with the old version, the connection mode is updated between the electrode plate and the key board. The new version adopts card base connection instead of the traditional welding form.…
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F4 Falcon Mobile Gaming Controller For Pubg Capacitor Handle Joystick For
It's freer and simpler to random hand click than hand speed recording. 9 a second, sharp sharp, single turned into a continuous F4 set 9 consecutive hair, press and hold the trigger key, can automatically the random click frequency of the hand, a key to connect the screen, so that m16a4/mini/ class , stable at the same time, with 9 / s speed has full automatic fire, eat chicken fast and hard stability. The second generation of capacitance mapping technology click trigger more stable and sensitive new F4. Compared with the old version, the connection mode is updated between the electrode plate and the key board. The new version adopts card base connection instead of the traditional welding form.…
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F4 Falcon Mobile Gaming Controller Compatible Pubg Capacitor Handle Joysti
It's freer and simpler to simulate random hand click than hand speed recording.9 shots a second, the game sharp sharp, single turned into a continuous F4 set 9 consecutive hair, press and hold the trigger key, can automatically simulate the random click frequency of the hand, a key to connect the screen, so that m16a4/mini/ class guns, stable at the same time, with 9 guns / s speed has full automatic fire, eat chicken fast and hard stability.The second generation of capacitance mapping technology click trigger more stable and sensitive new F4. Compared with the old version, the connection mode is updated between the electrode plate and the key board. The new version adopts card base
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Exsha Bluetooth Joy-pad L / R Controller Kompatibel Mit Nintendo Switch A1
Description Beschreibung Kompatibel mit Nintendo Switch-perfekter Ersatz fr Joypad, ist dies ein 3rd-Party-Produkt. Ergonomisch komfortabler Griff, hnliches Gewicht wie der Original-Controller, mit kratzfestem und rutschfestem ABS-Material. Fast Pair Plug and Play: Gaming Controller von Drittanbietern Untersttzung drahtloser / kabelgebundener Bluetooth-Verbindung
, stabiles Signal; Mit automatischer WiederverbindungHoch
leistungs-Gaming: Dieser Controller verfgt ber Motion Controls/Dual Shock, um ein immersives Spielerlebnis zu genieen. HinweisKeine NFC- und Infrarot-Rotfunktion
en, amibo wird nicht untersttzt. Passt nicht mit Koffer/Griff. Erweiterte Batterie: Wir verwenden nur die besten …
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Exsha Bluetooth Joy-pad L / R Controller Compatible With Nintendo Switch A
Description Beschreibung Kompatibel mit Nintendo Switch-perfekter Ersatz fr Joypad, ist dies ein 3rd-Party-Produkt. Ergonomisch komfortabler Griff, hnliches Gewicht wie der Original-Controller, mit kratzfestem und rutschfestem ABS-Material. Fast Pair Plug and Play: Gaming Controller von Drittanbietern Untersttzung drahtloser / kabelgebundener Bluetooth-Verbindung
, stabiles Signal; Mit automatischer WiederverbindungHoch
leistungs-Gaming: Dieser Controller verfgt ber Motion Controls/Dual Shock, um ein immersives Spielerlebnis zu genieen. HinweisKeine NFC- und Infrarot-Rotfunktion
en, amibo wird nicht untersttzt. Passt nicht mit Koffer/Griff. Erweiterte Batterie: Wir verwenden nur die besten …
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Exsha Bluetooth Joy-pad L / R Controller Compatible With Nintendo Switch A
Description Beschreibung Kompatibel mit Nintendo Switch-perfekter Ersatz fr Joypad, ist dies ein 3rd-Party-Produkt. Ergonomisch komfortabler Griff, hnliches Gewicht wie der Original-Controller, mit kratzfestem und rutschfestem ABS-Material. Fast Pair Plug and Play: Gaming Controller von Drittanbietern Untersttzung drahtloser / kabelgebundener Bluetooth-Verbindung
, stabiles Signal; Mit automatischer WiederverbindungHoch
leistungs-Gaming: Dieser Controller verfgt ber Motion Controls/Dual Shock, um ein immersives Spielerlebnis zu genieen. HinweisKeine NFC- und Infrarot-Rotfunktion
en, amibo wird nicht untersttzt. Passt nicht mit Koffer/Griff. Erweiterte Batterie: Wir verwenden nur die besten …
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Euro/american Truck For Logitech G29 G27 G25 G923 For T300 Rs Gt Simulator
Function: Instrument/low beam switch, high beam/flashing light switch, three-gear speed wiper, one-key start switch, buffer/auto cruise switch(Optional), multiple custom switches Features: *Support turn signal automatic adjustment *Cool one-click start *Real car driving experience *Support Oukameika automatic synchronization function (no need to pause the game to adjust the control position, after setting the button, enter the game vehicle automatic synchronization switch position) *Optional buffer, automatic cruise integrated joystick (support various buffer grade vehicles) *Support two key modes (European truck mode (hardware built-in key to execute script) / normal mode) *Support the installation …
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Euro/american Truck For Logitech G29 G27 G25 G923 For T300 Rs Gt Simulator
Function: Instrument/low beam switch, high beam/flashing light switch, three-gear speed wiper, one-key start switch, buffer/auto cruise switch(Optional), multiple custom switches Features: *Support turn signal automatic adjustment *Cool one-click start *Real car driving experience *Support Oukameika automatic synchronization function (no need to pause the game to adjust the control position, after setting the button, enter the game vehicle automatic synchronization switch position) *Optional buffer, automatic cruise integrated joystick (support various buffer grade vehicles) *Support two key modes (European truck mode (hardware built-in key to execute script) / normal mode) *Support the installation …
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Euro/american Truck For Logitech G29 G27 G25 G923 For T300 Rs Gt Simulator
Function: Instrument/low beam switch, high beam/flashing light switch, three-gear speed wiper, one-key start switch, buffer/auto cruise switch(Optional), multiple custom switches Features: *Support turn signal automatic adjustment *Cool one-click start *Real car driving experience *Support Oukameika automatic synchronization function (no need to pause the game to adjust the control position, after setting the button, enter the game vehicle automatic synchronization switch position) *Optional buffer, automatic cruise integrated joystick (support various buffer grade vehicles) *Support two key modes (European truck mode (hardware built-in key to execute script) / normal mode) *Support the installation …
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Ersam Wireless Controller Compatible With Playstation 3 Ps3 Controller Upg
Design for PS3 - Wireless controller gamepad with upgraded precise joysticks, double shock, motion sensing compatible with sony playstation 3.Astonishing Gaming Experience - Wireless ps3 controller offers double vibration, 6-axis technology provides realistic gaming experience and senses your every move.Advanced Wireless Technology - High performance Bluetooth technology for 33ft control distance. You won't suffer from data loss or signal interference when using the controller.5-10 Hours Playtime - Built-in 450 mAh rechargeable battery, it takes 2-3 hours to fully charge for 5-10 hours of playing. 10 mins auto sleep mode for saving power, prolonging the lifespan of battery.
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Ersam Mobile Game Controller For Ipad Tablets Six Finger Joystick Er-D-ZCW
Description About the Products: This is H11 Gamepad Controller with L1R1 Shooting and Aim Key. Designed for games on iPAD/Tablet 6 Fingers Control: Playing game with 6 fingers, you can simultaneously move, turn, aim and shoot by using the index fingers to press the buttons, which can eliminate the trouble that use thumbs only to make all operations. For Games: For PUBG/Knives Out/ Rules of Survial/ Cross Fire/ Survival Royal Most Kinds of Popular Shooting Games Can be used in the world. Hidden tablet stand holder: The game controller can also be used as a tablet standideal for watching video, reading, video recording, browsing the web, facetime call and more hands-free operation.Products …
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Ergonomic Switch Joycon Comfort Grip Holder Bracket for Improved Gaming Ex
Features: 1¡¢Exquisite Workmanship: for Joycon grip holder is carefully polished, glossy and fluent, no hindrance to use. 2¡¢Ergonomic Design: for Joycon comfort grip is comfortable to grip, compact in size and fits highly in the palm of your hand. 3¡¢Portable Design: for Switch Joycon grip bracket is compact and exquisite, wireless design, easy to carry around. 4¡¢Scope of Application: for Joycon comfort hand grip does not support charging, original accessories, for JOYCON hand grip. 5¡¢Durable Material: for Switch Joycon grips are made of preferred plastic material, wear resistant and anti corrosion, strong and durable. Package included: 1 x for Switch Joycon Gr
ips
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Ellipse Oval Joystick for Head Rocker Ball Top Handle for Joystick Arcade
brand new and high quality. Color: green, white, black, red, blue Material: plastic Size: 5.2cm/2.05" 3cm/1.18" Threaded hole diameter: 5.5mm Threaded hole depth: 24mm Quantity: 1pc Note: Transition: 1cm=10mm=0.39inch Please allow 0-1cm error due to manual measurement. pls make sure you do not mind before you bid. Due to the difference between different monitors, the picture may not reflect the actual color of the item. Thank you! Package Includes: 1 Joystick Handle Top Ball
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Electric Forklift Joystick Controller Central Joystick Control Handle 7919
New high quality products.Easy install and durable use.Great quality and great Fitment.Connector No cutting or splicing.Give a and more sophisiticated look for your carType:Joystick HandleFitment Type:Direct InstallPart Number:7919040012Fit
ment: For Linde E16C E20PType:Starting SignalSensor Type:Usage:Forklift controlcolor:BlackMa
terial:ABSPackage Contents:1 x Joystick HandleOnly the above package content, other products are not included.Note:Light reflection and different displays may cause the color of the item in the picture a little different from the real thing.The measurement allowed error is +/- 1-3cm.
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Electric Forklift Joystick Control Handle Controller Central Joystick For
New high quality products. Easy install and durable use. Great quality and great Fitment. Correct Connector No cutting or splicing. Give a and more sophisiticated look for your car Type:Joystick Handle Fitment Type:Direct Install Fitment: For Linde Forklift Power Source:AC Motor Type:7919040043 color:Black Material:ABS Package Contents: 1 x Joystick Handle Only the above package content, other products are not included. Note: Light reflection and different displays may cause the color of the item in the picture a little different from the real thing. The measurement allowed error is +/- 1-3cm.
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Eight-way Servo Controller Robot Arm Test Board Driver Knob 8-way Pwm Deve
Features: 1. Use High-Precision Potentiometers, No Programming Required, 8-Channel Potentiometers And Servos Are Controlled In One-To-One Correspondence; 8-Channel Servos Controller, Suitable For 5V-8.4V Servos Debugging And Testing, Supports Manual Adjustment/Quick Centering/Passing Stream Protection 2. The Onboard And Stable 8-Bit Mcu Is Used To Generate High-Resolution Pwm Signals And Control Accurately. 3. Support Manual Mode And Return-To-Center Mode, Which Can Be Switched Through Function Keys 4. Steering Gear Control Accuracy: 0.09 Degrees (. Pwm Minimum Change Value 1us) 5. Support Control Cycle: 20ms, Pulse Width: 0.5ms-2.5ms; Terminal Block (5V-8.4V) Power Supply Port With Overcurrent …
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Durable Socket Interface Connector Hdmi-compatible Port For Xb Series X/s
This is a HDMI-compatible Port Socket Interface Connector for X-box Series X/S. Made of high-quality metal material, durable, firm and stable for us to use. To replace the bent or broken pins inside the HDMI-compatible port. Easy and convenient for you to install and use. Every unit is in good condition. HDMI-compatible Port Socket Connector only, other accessories demo in the picture is not included Our products are made with the highest quality materials and are designed to provide you with the best possible user experience. We strive to ship out all orders within three days of purchase, and the estimated delivery time is 8-15 days. When shopping, please pay attention to the size and
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Durable Socket Interface Connector Hdmi-compatible Port Compatible Xb Seri
This is a HDMI-compatible Port Socket Interface Connector for X-box Series X/S. Made of high-quality metal material, durable, firm and stable for us to use. To replace the bent or broken pins inside the HDMI-compatible port. Easy and convenient for you to install and use. Every unit is in good condition. HDMI-compatible Port Socket Connector only, other accessories demo in the picture is not included
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Dualshock Wireless Bluetooth Game Controllers For Playstation4 /ps4/ps3 Fo
Note: if u order colorsilverblue, it is ailicone cover as picture but no controller Feature:1. [durable Material]: This Ps4 Controller Is Made Of Highly Durable Material With A Beautiful Appearance. Both Ends Of The Game Handle Are Equipped With Non-slip Material. The Ergonomically Designed Shape Can Better Adapt To The Structure Of The Hand. It's Light And Easy To Hold, So You Won't Feel Tired Even If You Play For A Long Time.2. [pinpoint Accuracy]: Its Analog Joystick And Trigger Button Can Provide Precise Accuracy And Comfort, And Has Enhanced Sensitivity To Help You Control The Game Remote Control.3. [dual Vibration]: The Built-in Vibration Motors On The Grips On Both Sides Allow You To …
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Dualshock 2 Controller For Ps2 JRKF028-MA20569
Presentation dualshock 2 controller for ps2 - Audio video accessories Manufacturer: Generic Dualshock 2 controller for PS2 A72118
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Dual Ports Ps2 To Usb Ps3 Pc Adapter Game Pad Controller Converter Cable M
2 Ports PS2 to USB PS3 PC Adapter Game Pad Controller Converter Cable Features: Support Dual Shock vibration function, support game and digital / analog mode, allow to map all buttons on PlayStation controller / DDR dance mat Includes software for computers with Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and Direct X 7.0a or above USB controller adapter dual-port controller to PC USB adapter converter, suitable for PSX and PS2 controllers Compatible with PlayStation, PSX and PS2 controllers, guns and dance mats Includes software for computers running Windows 98/ME/2000/XP/Vista and Direct X 7.0a or higher Package includes: 1 x Game Controller Converter Adapter Remark: 1. Due to the different monitor and light …
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Ds50 Pro Converter Mini Adapter For Ps5-ps4-xls-ns Pro Controller To Conne
Features: Support firmware update. Low latency, fast response. Promote your gaming experiences. Small size and lightweight, easy to carry with, plug and use. Support for PS5-PS4-XlS-NS Pro controller to connect to for PS4-PS3-Switch-Lite/
PC multi-platform. Specifications: Material: ABS Interface: USB Size: Approx. 67x24x12mm/2.64x0.94
x0.47in Note: Please allow 1-2cm errors due to manual measurement, make sure that you do not mind before you order. Due to the difference between different monitors, the picture may not reflect the actual color of the item. Package includes: 1x Converter
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